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  This Week With George Stephanopoulos  ABC  January 17, 2016 9:01am-9:21am EST

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as trump attacked the values. cruz countering with this video. >> i'm very pro-choice. i hate the concept of abortion. i hate it. still, i just believe in choice and again, it may be a little bit of a new york background because there is some different attitude and different parts of the country. i was raised in new york and grew up and work and everything else in new york city. >> here was cruz in south carolina. >> i recognize what donald trump says on the campaign trail today is fairly conservative. but voters are far more discerning. they have learned over and over truth. >> trump was loaded for bare saturday. we began with the news breaking, the release of those american prisoners from iran. so, we have some news, four american hostages including
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you said that was never going to happen, you blamed obama, ready to give him credit? >> absolutely not. i said if i got into it it would happen immediately. we give seven we get four. this should have happened years ago, we're giving $150 billion, this shouldn't be happening now and i understand that in addition tohe $150 billion they're getting prisoners. we're taping this a little bit early and it's not sunday morning like your viewers probably think. this thould have happened years ago. >> let's talk about the race, it's now a two-person race between you and ted cruz. >> i don't think so. i don't think ted cruz has a great chance to be honest with you. >> he's doubled-down on this issue of new york city values. he lumped you in yesterday with
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and bill deblasio. >> the truth is he's a nasty guy. nobody likes him. nobody in congress likes him. he's a very -- he's got a edge that's not good. you can't make deals with people like that. it's not a good thing for the country. very nasty guy. >> he's also circulating that clip of you on tim russert. my views are a little bit different than if i lived in iowa. those were your words. >> a long time ago, he's taking money from people that are very much into the whole gay marriage situation and he's taking money from them and he raising funds from them. he got caught the other day on a tape he was raising funds at a law office, talking about things and priorities -- >> are you saying he's a
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>> he's a total hypocrite. today, it comes out he's borrowing money from citibank and he doesn't list it. he wants to look like he's the one protecting the ones from the banks. and not disclosing it which is illegal. >> those were your words. talking about how you were strongly pro-choice, your comparison of new york values and iowa views and it's led a lot of conservatives to think, maybe he's going to switch again. >> it doesn't matter what thinks. we're talking about labels. i consider myself to be -- >> you're not con second l serve tif? >> i'm conservative. when it comes to different elements of what i i believe in, i'm going to solve our trade problem, i'm going to solve our military problem, i'm going to
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kraelt borders. >> but they're afraid you're going to abandon conservative issues. >> i don't think too many people are afraid of that. because if you look at the polls, i'm leading ted cruz by a lot. the polls are showing that i'm on the upswing. he's on a big down swing. but if you look at what he said and the way he said it and the scorn toward new york, i think it's a disgrace. think about the firemen, the firemen that went up those buildings and they were killed instantously and they knew those buildings were coming down and they're going up to save lives. speaking of iowa, which i love and i'm leading in the polls in iowa, we had firemen from iowa which was so beautiful and many other places coming to the world trade center to help. you had people from iowa and particular the fire department coming all the way from iowa to
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and here's ted cruz putting down that and the great, you know -- >> he didn't put t tt down. >> he's putting down the great people of new york. who could have done what new yorkers did under that unbelievable circumstance? >> let's talk about some of the issues, what kind of judges would you appoint, will they be conservative? >> well, first of all, we have a lot of judges that have to be appointed. we have a lot of openings in terms of judges. i'm very happy about that to be honest. i think appointing judges is a very important element of what -- >> ted cruz said he's going to appoint conservatives with a paper trail. >> i'm going to appoint p pple with great reputations, great in the legal profession. >> like? >> you know a judge who's totally underrated about not spoken is justice thomas, i
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judges that we have on the supreme court, justice roberts turned out to be a nightmare for conservatives. and by the way, ted cruz was the one who really wanted justice roberts to go on the supreme court. you know that. have you heaea that? >> he was pushing him hard. justice roberts gave us obamacare. obamacare would have been terminated twice if it wasn't for justice roberts. first time 10 on%. justice roberts could have killed obama care and should have based on everything. ted cruz is the one that was promoting him. ted cruz and also jeb bush, but justice roberts was the man that gave us and remember it. he gave us obama care. almost as much as obama himself. >> lot of conservatives skeptical of you saying you
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>> let me tell you about that decision, imminent domain, without that, you wouldn't have roads or highways, you wouldn't schools, you wouldn't have hospitals. you have to use that the pipeline, the keystone pipeline they have pages devoted to eminent domain. every conservative. it can't be built without imminent domain, you wouldn't have 25 feet of the keystone pipeline. eminent domain you need eminent domain. you wouldn't have roads or anything. so when people criticize me on that and once people understand what it is, lot of people don't know what it is, without that power you wouldn't have the kind of things you need to survive as a society and as country. >> so, how are you going to make
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justice roberts? >> excuse me, how are they going to makee sure? bush appointed him and cruz was the biggest advocate. justice roberts turned out to be an absolute disaster. he turned out to be an absolute obama care. you tell me, ask cruz why did he push -- >> i'm asking you, why did he push so hard to have a judge who has absolutely set the conservative movement back and set everything else -- >> when i interview him i'll ask him. >> i will study it carefully. i will workith people i republican respect, conservative people, we'll appoint judges that will be good. i won't have an appoint like justice roberts. >> let's talk about imdprags,
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against your deportation force. governor christie said this would cause an increase in 50 skt. >> senator cruz is very weak on illegal immigration, he only got strong over the last little while. the other day, i heard him say he wants to build a wall. we're going to create and have a country again. that's what we want. we want to have borders, to have a country you have to have borders. we have people flowing over freely. >> are you going to enforce it. >> having babies on our land, called anchor babies, you need a new constitutional amendment you don't. you need probably just a vote of congress and you might not even need that. i said that from the beginning.
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as an example that cruz has a real problem with his place of birth. many people are saying that right now. since i spoke to you the last time he's been sued. >> the person who doesn't have standing -- >> lot of people who have standing. >> you have standing, why don't you follow suit? >> that sounds like a very big case. >> ted was so nice to me, i said he's not a nice guy, he wanted to go to wake, so nice, so nice. when is it going to happen? it happened during the debate, he lied about the polls. the poll came out with a headline, trump way up, him way down. he lied about that. i find it very interesting. >> so -- >> listen, let me just say, i don't think he's going to do very well. >> if you really believe in this
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>> i'd like to talk to ted about that. when i file suits i file real suits. i'm unloading because he's been very dishonest. he didn't put down the banks yet he criticizes the banks and he's going to be robin hood and take care of the banks. he didn't the public to see he borrowed money from goldman sachs. he doesn't want the public to see that, the reason is, because he wants the public to see that he's this wonderful guy protecting him from the bad, vicious bankers. he borrows money from the banks and he's got personal guarantees and why that's not done in his personal financial, he said, he made a paper mistake. oh really. he made the mistake with citibank.
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hundred pages talking about billions and billions of dollars, i didn't make a mistake and they have gone through by everybody, i didn't make a mistake. couple of pages with a couple of loans and he forgets the main banks and he can't put that down? that wasn't a mistake. >> let's talk about national security, rubio versus cruz on national security. usa freedom act could have been written by lobbyists for isis. cruz said it's the best way to protect national security and private privacy. >> i come down on security. we have a whole thing going on whether or not we want to protect our freedoms. to me security is freedom. i'm on the side of security. i have been there from day one. if someone is listening to my calls, i don't like it. when it comes to me personally, i would rather have that, i want security.
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>> i would go with the rubio side. >> it sounds like you're worried about cruz. >> i come down on anybody that doesn't tell the truth. he didn't tell the truth during the debate. he didn't tell the truth about new york city. i mean, new york city is a -- very few places on earth could have done and suffered the way they suffer. remember this, george, that was the greatest attack in the history of our country. greater than pearl harbor, because pearl harbor they attacked the military. here, they attacked civilians and these two massive buildings came down on top of the rest of the city. thousands of people killed and the day, an hour later, we started the process. great people started the process. people coming, firemen coming in from queens knowing they may die. they all died. we have this guy, who falsifies his personal financial forms, we have this guy criticizing --
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mike bloomberg. you and hillary in it, sources say, it would show a competitive race. >> i would love to have michael join the race. i'd love to. because he would be, i think, take a lot of votes away from hillary, it's going to be hillary. you tell me. >> she went to your wedding. >> she had to, though, you know why, because i contribute. >> so, here's the story, i would say if michael came in, he would take a lot of votes away from hillary. you know why, one of the reasons, guns. michael is very much anti-gun. i'm very pro-second amendment. >> i'd love to have him in the race. very lat for anyone to join the race right now.
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for anyone to come in right now is very late. >> a woman named rebecca o'donnell has a 9-year-old son, paying attention to the son, he's adopted internationally, he asked her if he and his brother would be taken away from us if donald trump became president. "the globe." -- what do you say rebecca? >> why don't you pick out a positive letter, we're getting so positive letters. people want to take back their country. that young man will be fine, okay, but people want to take back their country. we have to have a country. we don't have a country right now. we have people pouring in, they're pouring in and they're doing tremendous dangerous, if you look at the crime and the economy. the real number in terms of
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real number, it's over 20%. it could be over 25%. because people look for jobs, they give up and the real number is a disaster. and if you think 25,000 people come to my rallies because we're doing well, the reason they're coming to my rallies because the country is doing poorly that includes the economy. the stock market. >> final question, martin luther king day, what do you say to african-americans who believe his dream hasn't achieved in this country. >> i believe with them. we have an african-american president, the african-american youth has essentially never done worse. you look at the unemployment in the '50s, you look at african-american people that are 30 and 35 and 40 at the height of their strength and their lives they're doing horribly. president obama an
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terrible job for african-americans. donald trump will do a great job for african-americans. i'll be back jobs from china a a many other places. i will be great for african-americans. >> more from donald trump in just a minute and then the democrats. hillary clinton and bernie sanders both join us live this week ahead of tonight's big debate. the attacks are coming hard and fast. "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by pacific life. for life insurance, annuities life. the power to help you succeed. because getting there requires exactly that. a plan for what you want your future to look like. for more than 145 years, pacific life has been providing solutions to help individuals like you achieve long-term financial security. bring your vision for the future to life with pacific life. talk to a financial advisor to help build and protect
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trump. we talked backstage just before his appearance with former hampshire. you have changed a bit over the last several months. a little bit more disciplined, a little bit more focused, what have you learned about campaigning in the last several months.
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the beginning. don't forget, i have been at top of the polls from the very first day. i'm an intelligent person like you are, we're intelligent people, probably i toned it down a little bit sometimes. but sometimes you can't tone it down. when you're dealing against china who's just killing us and mexico they're sending us and other groups of people that are doing big numbers on us and we're losing a fortune as a country and we're losing our heart and we're losing our soul. you have to be pretty strong. you don't want to tone it down too much. >> you're all in now? you're going to do everything you can? >> i'm here. i'm number one in eveve single place, including iowa, by the way, all of the latest polls have me number one in iowa. i have a great relationship with the people and the evangelicals and the tea party. no, we're looking to do very well. february 1st we start.
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theory if you lose iowa, it all spirals down. >> i think i'll do well in iowa. if i don't make it at iowa, at a minimum i do think it's going to be close. but i think i'm going to win iowa. and new hampshire. south carolina, it's going to be great. i think i'm going to do well. >> democrats up next, both hillary clinton and bernie sanders here live in just two minutes. the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate,